SOE Unscented / AE Dilemma

[Joseph]

She is a

mature 23 year old student who works at a cafe with me. Likes
80\'s music. She is one of those types who

frequently goofs off, but
she has a wavelength much longer than an airhead.

For the past month since we were

hired, I\'ve worn Alter Ego, typically
applying a small line from the dropper on each shoulder. This is is more


than the recommended \"two drops\", granted, but I wanted to extend the
effect over a six hour period.

So

what\'s going on?

She is responsive, goofs off, touches, and even hugs other people,
yet near me she is

serious and businesslike, avoiding me whenever
necessity doesn\'t require her to work near me.

I\'ve tried

many times to talk to her. Indeed, I am arguably better
looking than several guys there, yet she either briefly

talks to me,
doesn\'t respond, or simply walks away. I am somewhat attracted to her.
I am a bit alpha male,

aware androstenone is a double-edged sword, and
realize the importance of a fun, light demenior whenever wearing

it.

However no matter how well intentioned my efforts to socialize with her,
her attitude remains guarded around

me, and her disapproval has made me
act forced and unnatural around her. However around other female
coworkers

this is not the case at all.

This bothered me, so I dropped the dose of AE down to a single drop behind
my

ears, which causes itching. The effect the next day was negligable,
except for noticing less hostility in my

manager.

Last week I stopped using AE entirely, washed my clothes twice over, and
I\'ve noticed her mood

soften, smiling briefly as she walked by, briefly
touching my shoulder, scratching my sides to move.

One night

we were alone, running the cafe, I step away from the
register toward the expresso machine. That day I put on five

lines of
SOE unscented (I love the scented version, but wanted to reduce the
possibility of the placebo

effect).

Instantly, \"What\'s wrong, feel a little lonely? Want some company, Joseph?\",
she says flatly.

I\'m taken aback, not sure what to say, and simply smile.

During another workday, she makes another

semi-loaded comment...

Manager: \"Hey buddy, go on break. Get something to eat..\"
Me: \"Nah, I\'m not

hungry..\"
Her: \"Strong man..\"
Me: \"Why, thank you..\"

A few hours later, I accidentally bump into her,

and she remarks
indignantly: \"There is plenty of room to get through, you don\'t
have to bump into me..\".

As if that was intentional.

\"I\'m sorry, accident..\", suddenly feeling like a complete idiot.

A few days

ago was her birthday, she rung up a cookie, her credit
card didn\'t go through, which she was pissed off about,

and I said,
\"Happy birthday\", bought it for her, and gave her a warm smile. We
conversed about schools; she

tells me where she is going, and it
turns out we want to major in the same thing.

Still, after three minutes,

the urge to relieve the tension of being
around me kicks in. What irritates me is being away from me is a


\"relief\". I am very friendly and outgoing, and it is downright
insulting if not confounding.

I\'m

convinced we\'ll find a unified field theory before
understanding women, but common sense says she simply
does

not like me.

Joseph
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[bigdog]

Well

first of all people are different and IMO it\'s not worth it try to analyze them too much if at all. Especially

since you are a guy and it natural not to be able to figure out women. Secondly you work with her so she may be a

little guarded about dating someone she works with. Perhaps she does like you more but she\'s the type that

doesn\'t like to date coworkers. She may just enjoy the flirting aspect. Perhaps she may even be concentrating on

studies and doesn\'t want to get at all right now. Our she has a guy she already is dating. Who knows.

Perhaps

she is confused by the mones you wear. She knew you before you wore and now she senses something different. Also if

you switch up often around her it even may confuse her more. Mones send signals and depending on what you wear they

can be different each time. Especially since you knew here before the mones.

It\'s hard to say and not worth

analyzing. If you are truly interested after a good laugh ask her to a coffee shop or maybe a move and see if this

is ok with her. If she doesn\'t act interested than she probably doesn\'t want to go out with you. Don\'t take

it personal. There are so many reasons she may not want to go out and it probably has nothing to do with not liking

you. It may be some circumstances about her and what\'s going on in her life.

Good luck!

[MysteriousMan]

Women absolutely don\'t like insecure men. Know what you want. Tease her. Be funny. Don\'t excuse for anything.

Never ever make compliments about her body. If you really absolutely have to make a compliment (only once in a

while!) make a compliment about something she has DONE very recently. If you notice a very personal flaw, make fun

of it.

Your behaviour has to fit to your mones.

And if you have to bump into her next time, make fun of her

bumping into you before she can open her mouth.

MysteriousMan

[Joseph]

I\'ve

used AE for over a year, it has blown the door open for me
many times with other women. My curiosity is the

anxiety in this
other coworker. It has never happened before. Is it entirely
negative, or a concealed attraction?

It is downright weird at
times, as if she is mortally afraid of me; and she can\'t maintain
eye contact

either.

There was one post in which someone named elvido wrote:

\"That seems more like a definition of

\"indifference theory\".
I think of ODing more like crossing the line from being a
Clint Eastwood type to

being a wolf; an actual wolf. So the
intuition is, \"yeah this guy will be a good fcuk but once
we\'re done

he\'ll kill me and my cubs!\" Imagining you carrying
them around with their open neck clasped in their mouth.

No
they don\'t actually think that, but the instinctive reaction
could go along those lines. You presenting an

image that\'s
too primal.\"

This seems to be exactly the case.

I\'ve demonstrated my friendliness,

being open and complementing
her, but she remains afraid of me. It is a very animalistic
\"primal\" fear.

While I can chip away at it, what underlies it
remains a mystery.

Is it possible this could be a concealed

attraction, or am I
being optimistic? Anyone experience a similer situation?

Joseph

[ironration]

If a

guy is attracted to a women who is not attracted to him and and she KNOWS that the guy is attracted she actually

becomes LESS attracted to him than if she was not sure if he was attracted or not. My guess is that is what is

happening here.

We place value ie become attracted to the things that are hard to get. That is why you often find

guys starting to chase the one women that ignores him, but are less intrested in the women that actually seem to

like him.

[Sexyredhead]

Dude, you\'re wearing too much. She probably gets the feeling you\'re in \'player\' mode when you have that

much on of either of them. You noticed she was softer when you didn\'t have any on? Think minimal. Try nothing for

a week or so, then just do a tiny bit and see what happens.