A few people have asked about posts that have vanished. There is nothing wrong with the forum, it is strictly the
actions of either Bruce or one of the mods. If your's or somebody else's thread went away, it was for a good
reason. Because of privacy concerns, we can't explain why in most casees and for that I am sorry. Those of you who
know me know that I am very opposed to censorship and will not delete posts for political reasons. I don't even
delete personal attacks directed at me. But there are times when we are going to delete posts. I apologize in
advance if those posts are yours.
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And what about peachy's posts?
They were not deleted, but not visible either?
Franki,Originally Posted by franki
As I said, if it went away it
was done for a reason either by the mods or Bruce. That applies to Peachy's posts too. The exact reasons are not
something I can discuss.
Thanks for explanation. It was just weird to see postOriginally Posted by belgareth
Vanished into thin air. Usually if posts are deleted you will still see the post but just the content deleted, but
in this case entire posts just Dissapeared. So that's why i thought that maybe there was something wrong with the
If it ain't broken don't fix it.
Lots of people here are getting a bit
angry. It's obvious to many why some posts are removed. When I see one of mine deleted I know why it's happened. I
haven't got a clue why some of the posts are getting removed though and neither do a lot of other people. It's
like you're trying to turn the place into Disneyland or something. That's COOL if that's your plan. It's also
COOL if you just want some of us to GO AWAY. What isn't cool is this arbitrary removal of posts by a moderator just
cuz he felt like it. I expressed my concerns about this in Doc's Thread. There was talk of new rules being made up
and posted. Did I miss the "New Rules" Thread? Cuz right now I have no idea what's acceptable and what isn't and,
as I stated above, I'm not the only one.
There is nothing arbitrary about any of theOriginally Posted by Ash
actions taken. In general, there are several places to play and do pretty much what you want, within reason. There
are some things that will not be allowed at all; for instance, personal attacks.
There were also a lot of
people angry about their threads being hijacked. We lost many good posters for that. All we are really asking is
that people follow a few simple courtesies. We are not trying to turn this into Disneyland anymore than some people
are trying to turn it into a free for all.
Several threads in the humorIn general, there are
several places to play and do pretty much what you want, within reason.
section have been removed, including Dzorro's cartoon game about penguins. Isn't the humor section a place to
That one I can't answer because I wasn't involved.Originally Posted by Elana
I'm not trying to get in your face
here Bel cuz I don't want to get banned and I actually like you personally...but that was a wonderful "non answer,
answer". In your first post in this Thread you apologize in advance for removing some posts. To me there would be
no apology necessary if there was a posted set of rules to go by. You break the rules you get deleted. No apology
needed. The problem as I see it is without a set of stated rules ANYTHING you delete is an arbitrary deletion.
That's an invitation for bad feelings all the way around for both Mod's and Members. It breeds resentment on both
sides. This is not good!
I know why mine got deleted... .Originally Posted by Elana
I thought it was hilarious...after I nearly
jumped out of my skin I couldn't stop laughing, but some people clearly didn't appreciate being startled like
that. No biggie though.
In part, I agree with you. Time is the biggest problem. All ofOriginally Posted by Ash
us have lives outside the forum and putting something like that together correctly takes time. It is in the works
and will be posted as soon as possible. In the meantime, we mods do have rules to go by but they need to be posted
for everybody. There is nothing arbitrary in our actions, at least no more than in any human endaeavor.
honestly glad you are bringing up your points. It's better to get it out in the open instead of SMS and PM
THE CAR ONE GOTOriginally Posted by Numanoid
NO WAY!!!!!! WHY???
Bel...this is an example of one of
the posts that was recently deleted in the humor section. I still have it because I emailed it to all of my friends.
Can you please explain so that we are all on the same page, why something like this is not acceptable in the humor
I'm glad you started the Thread too. Doc reallyOriginally Posted by belgareth
started it with his Thread but it looks like more work needs to be done. I got a lot out of Doc's Thread but it
seems like things have gotten worse since he posted it. At least deletion wise that's the way it seems. Like
Elana's Car Thread post question. "WHY?". It looks to many here like the Mod's are turning up the Deletion machine
full tilt and clamping down way, way, way too hard.
What does Bruce and the Mod's want this place to look like?
Where are you going with all this? How much Rabble do you want to clear out and what do you think you're going to
have left over once the dust settles?
I am not trying to come off as
challenging or anything and I would have just PMed this to a mod, but since this thread has been started we may as
well talk about it.
I simply want to understand what is allowed and what is not. Recently it was made clear how
important it is to keep the main forum threads on track. I think that everyone has been really good about that since
we all talked about it. Now we are seeing posts being deleted left and right and I am not even referring to the
missing threads. Things like Exit's comment in the women's thread to deranged fox. That is typical Exit. He
wasn't being mean. That is his demented way of flirting. When I first joined L-S Exit was here and he was the EXACT
same Exit then that he is now. That was just an example. It's like we are expected to change how we were but we
weren't even given the new rules. This is a forum that will get pretty racy because of the subject matter.
Pheromones and sex. Do we have to be on rated G behavior with the exception of talking about sex and pheromones. I
have no problem following rules...I just have to understand what the rules are.
I agree with ElanaOriginally Posted by Elana
100%. It's like there ARE some rules somewhere but they aren't visible to the people that are supposed to be
Probably what is happening is
that this thread is getting folks to focus more on getting rules together, which is a good thing. I know from
talking to Bruce on the pherophone () that he is genuinely in agreement with the need and is working on it, but
that no one really anticipated this beforehand. Bruce is a good guy, and good guys generally have faith in things
working themselves out. I've had posts deleted, but trust the mods and Bruce aren't doing it for random reasons.
Sometimes posts are removed for discussion and further review and then added back after approval. This once happened
to one of my sort of "outspoken" posts.
There is no question that post deletions have increased. Part of that
seems due to the design of the new forum, which gives more efficient control capabilities to mods and admins, rather
than any huge change of philosophy. But now is a time when "folks with erasers" are maybe extra sensitive due to the
publicity these issues have "enjoyed" very recently. Now is also a time for discussion, such as is happening here.
In a way, I wish rules weren't necessary, in part because rules are often too strict, or on the other hand too
easy to manipulate by the pathologically clever. But I think if rules are judiciously stated those potential
problems can be minimized. Folks seem to like and deal well with clear and concrete expectations.
up a good point about this being, to date, a sexuality and attraction discussion forum. These topics are inherently
controversial and provocative! So good discussions of them require, on one hand, tolerance, outspokenness,
and openmindedness; and on the other hand, a bit of emotional and interpersonal maturity. They are adult topics for
I personally would affirm the value of people being racy, frank, and non-PC in the proper
context. My own tendency is to be outspoken and love it. IMHO, I don't think that such qualities put Bruce's
income at risk. They could even help enhance it, given current pop culture standards. The more responsibility
and maturity people exhibit on the front end, the more free they will be to talk about whatever their
hearts desire and have it be appropriate. I believe where there is a will to do so, there is a way, and that no one
should have to feel muzzled. Neither disagreements, pushed buttons, someone defending themselves, nor anger in posts
are sufficient for rendering a post of negative value, IMO. Regarding my own desire to participate in any discussion
situation, I don't believe censorship should be implemented in any case without thinking good and hard about it,
without looking beneath the surface appearance of things, without thoughtful empathy for the speaker, or without
putting one's immediate knee-jerk emotions on the back burner. But no one came here to take abuse or sabotage
Ultimately, the best thing that can happen is that whatever Bruce's personal philosophy is
regarding the forum will be accurately reflected in his guidelines to participation. As an interested and invested
party, I would be more than happy to help in any way I can.
Bel, could you please expand a tad bit on what you mean byOriginally Posted by belgareth
Ash SMSed me and asked
me to get involved in this thread. I think I've exhausted what I consider good sense on this topic in the
"misbehavin'" thread. Now I am just literally sick to death of reading "WTF happened to my post, man?" Why do I
have to explain for the 15th time why "humor" involving baby seals being clubbed to death bothers me? Because there
are a handful of folks who just plain do not get it. That's why. No matter how many times I explain it, they just
don't get it. And not only that, those folks are offended by my sensitivity and have banded together in what they
feel is a freedom of expression movement or something. Now, obviously I wouldn't last 5 minutes if this were a
USNET group. I would be driven out of town on a rail, but hey, wait a minute, this is my home, isn't it? Why do I
have to be intimidated? Why do I have to slink around in the shadows?
It is really too bad that it had to
come to this. This should be a happy time for me. I have only told a few people about this, but my wife and I are
expecting another baby. So here we are running around meeting with midwives collecting baby stuff from friends, and
then I log on to my own forum and somebody has posted a photo of a child being beaten by a grown man and he things
that is just a hoot. But wait that is not the best part. I delete it and then he freaks out, tells his buddies I
am a geek and demands an explanation. And then the same thing happens again a few days later and again I am forced
to explain why something disgusts me and again I get dissed for it, and the discussion runs around how I am a Nazi
and finally one of you tries to win a few brownie points in the clique by "standing up to the man." And then comes
the thinly veiled threat: "OK, Mr. Goody Goody, you want to get rid of us? Well, we'll all leave and then where
will you be? All the fun sterilized out of your precious forum"
Why am I even waisting my time writing all
this? Carefully thinking about what to say. You few folks don't get it do you? Reason doesn't mean anything to
you, does it? Sensitivity, tenderness, love. They mean nothing to you, do they? All you understand is power; who
has it, how you can get it yada yada.
Anyway, I want my life back. I want my forum back, and if that means
there is nobody left to play with here but a few close friends, then so be it. I want at least a year to hang out
with my beautiful pregnant wife and newborn baby when he/she gets here, without having to fear logging on to my
forum. If any of the inevitable banees wants to discuss it, I am available by email, but if you have a name, you
might want to use it.
Anyone who considers me a friend, you are welcome to stay of course, but I don't want
to be having this conversation again for at least a year.
Very Sincerely Yours,
Bruce and family
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