Hello folks,Originally Posted by Chemo
first of all
thanks for your detailed an very helpful answers. It helped me very much to come to an decision!
I got my Chikara
and NPA ( I read much about this combination, I just had to test it) !
So here finally my first feedback about the
first test weekend:
At first some history about the mixture I used in the last two years ( before I got to know
The mix that finally worked quite well for me was a combination of P10/w, PPA/m and PPA/w
with a ratio of
2:6:3. I applied mostly about 0.275 ml so I got about 0.0335 mg None, 0.03625 mg Nol
and 0.005 mg Rone plus some of
the copulins of P10 and PPA/w per application, which is a decent amount I think regarding the recommended dosages
her at the forum.
This ratio gave me the most acceptable smell, although I don't like it too much.
The latter is
the one reason why I wanted to test something new. The second is was to get more consistent results:
occasions I was not able to recognize any difference in behavior or body language. But
in about 2 of 10 cases
wearing the mones, some women acted clearly different than thea normally did:
They were much more chatty and
touched me lightly when talking, what they never did before. I got these hist in most cases with women I already
knew for quite a time ( probably because I know their normal reactions better ).
Well, the point of the experience
of the last 2 years is, that with mones either nothing happened ( at least nothing I was able to perceive) or
surprisingly positive results ( rarely ). But.... I never had any negative reactions.
Not until using
Chikara plus NPA:
As I knew what pheromone amounts approximately worked for me before, I used them as an
As I read much about the extreme OD risk of NPA I was very careful with it.
The first evening I
applied 0.1 ml Chikara ( 0.067 mg pheromones ) plus 0.1 ml of TE ( I dilluted my NPA exactly to TE level, so that
were about 0.01mg of the NPA mones).
I did sports afterwards ( about one hour after application ). The first woman
I met ( I don't know her very well, but´I see her every week and simply get along with each other, not more and not
less ) was in an normal positive mood during the 2 houers of badminton, but every time I got near her she didn't
even look into my direction, even when I said something. It was like " Ooohh, you stink, go away ). I really never
experienced a that bad reaction.
I thought "OK, let's do another test". The next day I met with some friends (
most very close friends ) at 14:00pm.
This time I applieda reduced dosage of 3 drops of Chikara (0.075ml) and 0,075
ml of TE.
One of the woman ( the girlfriend of my best friend, I have a very good relationship to her, she is
normally always smiling at everybody especially to me and mostly in a great mood). This afternoon she was in a good
temper as usually . But... she also hardly looked into my direction when I was near her. No smiles, no friendliness,
really nothing. I have never seen her acting towards me like that, it was really strange. From what I read here it
was a total OD reaction. We split up to meet again in the evening. I took a long shower rubbing all mones away. Then
I applied 4 drops of Chikara and only 2 drops ( 0.05 ml ) of TE . The reactions of the mentioned woman were clearly
less negative, but still definitely out of the ordinary ( towards me ).
How can that be?????? 2 little drops of TE
( one bottle would gibe 500 applications) an OD !??!?
What the hell is in NPA ??????
NPA is supposed to be a very
sexual pheromone product. So what shall I conclude:
Woman react irritated and adverse when something sexual is
dispersing from me ??????
Grrrrreat... that is what I wanted to find out by using mones
Well, all joking aside. I am definitely not a man beeing considered as very masculine ( in fact that is the last
attribute woman asssign to me, although I look relatively decent and have a good build ).
So don't think my body
produces so much None ( that fits the experience withe the relatively high amounts of None before ).
that as a fact, I am totally confused about the reactions with only the slightest amount of the NPA secret
ingredient, it can't be the none. Anyone an idea.
If I reduce the NPA dosage even more ( so little that I get no
negative reactions ) I guess I could leave it away completely ?!?!?!.
Another question about Perception. Most of
you said that it is much more sexual oriented compared to Chikara.
May it be that it will probably not make very
much sense to test it after the recent experience ???
I will test Chikara alone for the next few days and see
what happens. BSW I don't like the scent very much but after about one hour of wearing it is slightly better than
my old mix ( the old mix was quite sweet, it smelled a bit like a woman's fragrance ).
Last edited by Indigo; 10-11-2004 at 01:31 PM.
Interesting read. Are you sure you have no mone build-up? A female friend of mine once said that I smelled
different from how I used to smell. This was after I had showered extensively and I had not put on any mones that
I didn't use mones for some weeksOriginally Posted by Traggard
before the mentioned weekend, or let's say I used my old mixture 2 or 3 times in this period. So build-up should
not have been the problem. Perhaps the secret ingredient doesn't fit my personal body chemistry at all.
You may be a guy where 2 or 3 dabs
works best of TE. A poll actually indicated that was the ideal amount, although it isn't for me. Also, when you
do physical activity after applying pheromones, changes are going to occur. Conversions to none, which JVK states
do happen, BDC Concepts doesn't believe so, funkier smells.
The fact that you are getting reactions is good.
Now you just have to learn to use the stuff.
BTW, don't play sports with pheromones on - around women at
Considering that one dab is between 0.02 and 0.03 ml I only used 2 dabs andOriginally Posted by bjf
got bad reactions. If I use so little that I get no bad response (probably only one drop) , do you really think i
could get any positive effects? Shouldn't I leave it away at all? Dosaging like that my 10ml bottle will last for
more than 6 years! Does NPA stay good for such a long time?
You may get the positive effects, if
the negative effects were so strong on you. There are guys on the forum who see reactions in very small amounts
with that stuff.
I'd cut down your dosage in incriments until you see the reactions you want.
stay good for a long long time.
I had some strong results (got
asked to coffee by a beautiful 18 y.o.) wearing one dab of edge (and other stuff, including a perfume similar to
Pheros and a drop of V5, IIRC) but it was my only source of -none). Yesterday I wore four dabs Edge and a guy
picked a fight with me at a bar where I was sitting with my back to him, reading and eating dinner. Edge is 1/4 the
strength of NPA, but the dabs are bigger due to the sizes of the bottle openings. Maybe I had buildup too, but -none
(and whatever else is in NPA/Edge) is powerful stuff. You have to use it in a very sensitive manner to get
consistent good results.
Hello DST,Originally Posted by DrSmellThis
so one of your dabs is probably
about 2 of my drops, giving me bad results. I will try Chikara plus one drop ( 0.025ml ) TE in the next few weeks
and see if there is any difference to Chikara plus no drop of TE!
I don't understand your
reply, but just know that Edge is weaker than NPA, but not as weak as you'd expect compared to NPA if you are
dabbing both to compare.
Did you take her up on her offer?Originally Posted by DrSmellThis
starting to lay off of the NPA. I actually mixed half of the bottle with a half a bottle of Andro 4.2 the other day.
BIG MISTAKE! I mixed in Andro 4.2's original atomizer and that disperses A LOT with just one spray. I got a massive
headache and guys at work couldn't even look me in the eye. I also got very, very irritated for no reason at all.
I'm going to try doing 1 or 2 dabs of TE with 4 dabs of Pheros and see how that pans out.
Well, you said you had used one dab of TE and that an TE dab isOriginally Posted by DrSmellThis
bigger because of the bigger opening. So I estimated that one of your dabs is probably about 0.04-0.05ml opposed to
the 0.03 ml of the dabs yout get from the NPA bottle ( withput inlet ) or the PPA bottle.
I diluted my NPA to
the exact concentration of TE and used 2 drops ( 0.05 ml ). I just wanted to say that the relatively low amount
which gave you a good result, was even too much for me.
Sorry for my misunderstandable english. I am working on
At dab at 0.04 ml?? I find that
hard to understand...
The phero calculator was actually
using 0.01 for a dab, and 0.04 I think for a drop.
I measured a couple of mls of EtOH in an edgeOriginally Posted by bjf
bottle and got somewhere about 88 dabs / ml.
We have to remember that repeatedly measuring dabs does not
necessarily give us a very accurate result. The first dab has to wet the skin of the finger involved, and therefore
uses more product than subsequent dabs. On the other hand, the first dab has to wet the skin of the finger involved
:-) and therefore delivers less product to wherever you put it than subsequent dabs (leaving a lot behind on the
finger). Once the finger(s) is wet, the process is quite different.
When I measure dabs, I use all ten fingers,
wiping them on a towel between uses, and getting them fairly dry before continuing. Since we do actually reuse
fingers in applying the product (assuming we apply more than one dab to each side of the body), this would seem to
be a model that represents our usage fairly closely. I'm certainly open to discussion of methodology, since dabs
seem to be the most difficult application method to measure accurately.
somewhere between amused and obsessed...
How about measuring with the pointer
finger (what I assume we mostly use) and then rubbing your finger on a piece of leather or some skin like material).
Then do this over and over. This would simulate the experience, I think.
Thanks for doing all that
Water or oil will give bigger dabs, in that order. I think the average product here is like
That is the
methodology I used aswell, and ended with slightly less dabs per ml than you (I used closer to 50/50 alc/water from
an alcoholic drink). It would seem that most dab volumes for alcohol based products would fall between 0.015 and
0.02 ml (factoring in what DST said about the water content of the products), with the top range for the oily
products not much higher than 0.03 ml.
Well, the tests I did were with
pure Ethanaol and pure water.
And I didn't use a dropper inlet, just the free opening of the bottle. That way I
always got about 30-35 dabs per ml for the Ethanol and around 40 dabs per ml for the water. The bottles Iuse have
exactly the smae opening as the NPA and the PPA bottle without inlet!
Those dabs seem very big, can
you describe exactly how you made the measurements?
No problem:Originally Posted by CptKipling
I used the bottles without
any inlet. Then I put one finger on the bottle, turn it around, wait a second, turn it back, wait another second,
ant then apply it.
BSW, because of all this confusion and I found out that PPA ( di-propylene-glycol) behaves
different than pure ehanol and water when dabbing i will never dab anything again. As I said in other
Applying with tha pipettte of an pipette bottle is the only way of precise dosaging. And you don't
contaminate your product.
You only have to test one time for every product and don't have the hole confusion about
the different dabbing tecniques and dry or wet fingers and so on. The bottles doesn't cost more than about 2$, so
regarding that most users have products for more than 100$
that doesn't carry much weight! But I will be sure to
get the exact amounts I want to get and can give the forum more precise information about the ratios I used !
Last edited by Indigo; 09-24-2004 at 06:17 PM.
I'm still puzzled, but thanks
anyway Indigo. Maybe I'll test it again.
Well, I admit I am also a bit confused aboutOriginally Posted by CptKipling
the totally different results of different users! That is why I only drop all products with a pipette.
I found a
american page where you can get very similar pipette bottles like I use for less than 2$. You can also get roll on
Last edited by Indigo; 10-04-2004 at 04:55 AM.
Thanks for the link.
look useful aswell:
When I mix, I use a small
hypodermic syringe (with needle) to measure small amounts that I put into (well washed) perfume sample vials (cost:
free). When I am mixing a spray source (Chikara or a cover scent for NPA), I first spray into a tiny funnel into the
vial, measure the height of the fluid, and then inject the mixer accordingly.
I have got some new questions after more experiments with Chikara and TE ( my dilluted NPA ).
could do the most test only with mainly male colleagues.
My impression rigth now is that, except for club
occasions, everything above 1 drop ( 0.025ml) of TE is too much for me. Wearing only Chikara ( plus a bit PPA/m for
the scent ) and one or even no drop of TE I got a lot of friendliness and chattiness frommost people. One drop more
of TE and the effect was totally gone. In factI was not able to see a difference between Chikara/PPA alone and the
combination with one drop of TE. I find that really strange.
But now to the points confusing me most:
perception of the smell of NPA and Chikara:
First about Chikara:
Most people describe it as a light musk. Well
the reason I mix Chikara with PPA/m is that Chikara, at least for me, has a certain note of vanilla or coconut ( I
am not sure how to describe that ) that I don't like too much.Withh PPA together it gives a pleasant compex over
all scent. I habe the new bath of Chikara with silver cap and spry head.
After reading so much about the
stink of NPA, I was a bit shocked about my perception. I is not only that I might not be able to smell it,
even more confusing. When I put my nose over the open NPA bottle, I smell a light pleasant smell!?!?! In
fact I like that scent more than smelling at the Chikara bottle !!!!!
What I'd like to to know from
Taking that perception of NPA and the results I got from it, can I draw any general conclusions
regarding the type of pheromones I should use or try in the future?????
Hi Indigo, like you, I have found that when I try smelling NPA from the bottle, I do not detectOriginally Posted by Indigo
the musty smell of -none. In fact, like you, I find it very lightly scented, a somewhat sweet, ester-like scent. In
my post on "-Mone use/results in SE Asia", I even thought I might have been sent the NPA/w or the scented version
(which doesn't exist!). Now that you, too report this, I guess I have my answer. (BTW, the sweet smell could be the
alcohol base in NPA).
I have tried wearing NPA (one dab below each ear) at night at home without other -mone
products. Initially, for the first 15 to 20 minutes, I don't detect any typical -mone smell. However, after about
30 mins but definitely after 1 hour, I could really detect the familiar smell of -none. The musty smell was
unmistakable, very much like the Perception -mones. So, I can conclude that the other ingredients in NPA (besides
the -none) seem to mask the smell of the -none in it, but once applied to the skin, the -none smell gradually
I will be reporting more of my results on Chikara in my thread.
DUDE, no wonder you OD,
too many sprays of Chikara, 1-2 drops at most; especially with NPA added to the mix.
Last edited by THE ALPHA MALE; 04-01-2009 at 11:30 PM.
It seems like you did a
massive OD. When I've ODed women have litterally ran from me. (Happened at a club). Try the 70/30 mix. If at all
possible use the Liquid Trust bottle to disperse. (Put LT in some other bottle and wash the bottle with bleach then
soap and water then dry).
I recently got a job. Last Friday the department head called me into the office. I
shot on some JB#1 (using the LT bottle) and walked in. Normally this woman is jittery and always seems in a hurry.
She calmed down, was very pleasant and smiling (she doesn't really do that).
The mix you're using is known to
be pretty good. Try a different ratio an a different dispersal method. One spray should do it. You can spray it into
the air and walk into it or spray directly. And yes, NPA is pretty strong. That's why I originally mixed it with
I never had any luck with TE and I see no need to water NPA down but make sure NPA is on the 30% side
of the ratio when you mix it.
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