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    Default Tongkat Ali and Maca

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    I've entered my

    40's and my virility has declined....It sucks to get old and happens way to quickly.... In any case, I don't think

    these products would have done anything for me when I was in my 20's or early 30's. For the guys and perhaps gals

    over 40, however, this stuff is for you if you want your sex life back.

    In any case, I've tried these two

    products and noticed an extreme difference. The first couple of days may be a bit wierd as your body gets used to

    it, but this stuff trully works. The first weak, one might find that they are a bit more tired during the day. I did

    not notice a problem sleeping, but I have not taken the products after 3:00pm becasue I have read that some people

    have trouble sleeping at night.

    One can get Maca at any typcial vitamin type store. Tongkat is a bit more

    difficult, but there are some good posts with links if you do a search.

    There may also be something to the

    reports that this stuff helps one produce their own natural pheromones. I certainly feel that I carry myself

    better....but I definately do not have a permanent smile on my face like those TV commercials....LOL

    Hope

    this helps....

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    When you say you virility decliend

    are you referring to stamina or lack of erection?
    Just curious.


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    I'm more interested, I get wood

    like I did when I was younger and the experience feels better. I don't have a problem with stamina or lack of an

    erection, so I can't comment on that.

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    I've used maca with quite good

    results (I'm also in my 40's). I recently got a couple of bags of Tongkat Ali in powder form and It's SOOOO

    bitter that I can't get it down on a consistant enough basis to see if its efective. I'm going to get some empty

    capsules and fill my own.

    Horny Goat Weed, Mucuna pruriens, Muira puama are also effective.

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    That's good to hear. I've

    tried a lot of stuff without getting any real results, but maca and tongkat are the real deal. I'm interested in

    your experience with Tongkat. You will be happy with the product after you put it into capsuls. From what I've

    read, the Tongkat takes a couple of weeks to become most effective and that the concentrated stuff....50 to 1 or 100

    to one is the way to go. My only advice is to give it some time as your body will take some time to adjust....



    Years ago I tried yohimbe....that stuff gave me the shakes and was just plain wierd. I took it twice and never

    again.... some people have good luck with that, but no me. I would suggest a very small concentration of yohimbe

    if anyone wants to experiment...

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    Yohimbe is nasty

    stuff!

    It can cause drastic, dangerous changes in blood pressure even in otherwise healthy people. And if you

    have some hidden defect in your cardio vascular system, it will find it for you.

    At higher doses it can cause

    hallucinations and DEATH!

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    Quote Originally Posted by phersurf
    Yohimbe is

    nasty stuff!

    It can cause drastic, dangerous changes in blood pressure even in otherwise healthy people. And if

    you have some hidden defect in your cardio vascular system, it will find it for you.

    At higher doses it can

    cause hallucinations and DEATH!
    I have to agree. I know for sure about the blood pressure side effects.

    That's why I've never bought it.

    I think L-arginine might be a safer alternative. I see that ingredient many

    times in the "sexual enhancement" supplements. I have no first-hand experience with it though.
    Last edited by NaughtieGirl; 04-13-2005 at 03:03 PM. Reason: an afterthought!

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    L- Arginine works very well and

    has several other health benefits also. I have been taking one gram per day for over a year, increasing the amount

    2-3x when a 'play' weekend is planned. Nothing to ever complain about.
    To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by belgareth
    L- Arginine

    works very well and has several other health benefits also. I have been taking one gram per day for over a year,

    increasing the amount 2-3x when a 'play' weekend is planned. Nothing to ever complain about.
    Well thanks

    for the info! I shall Google for the other health benefits.
    We get our vitamins from WholeHealth.com and we've

    been very happy with the info provided on the website and the service.

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    L-aginine has 2 sexual

    benifits.

    Male ejaculate is largely made up of arginine. Taking more increses the production. This effect

    happens withiin about an hour.

    L-arginine leads to the production of Nitric Oxide. NO is neccessary for

    strong erections. NO causes the blood vesels leading to the penis to become more relaxed increasing blood flow.

    Actually this is how Viagra, Cialis works. They relax the blood vesels causing more blood flow (by a different

    mechanism than NO). The increased NO effect takes several weeks to happen since the arginine has to build up in the

    system.

    There does seem to be some sexual benifits for women. The increased blood flow causes the clitoris to

    become more sensitive and some women report stronger orgasms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NaughtieGirl
    Well thanks

    for the info! I shall Google for the other health benefits.
    We get our vitamins from WholeHealth.com and we've

    been very happy with the info provided on the website and the service.
    The relaxation of blood vessels

    that Phersurf mentions are also heart healthy, providing better blood flow to and through the heart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by belgareth
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    relaxation of blood vessels that Phersurf mentions are also heart healthy, providing better blood flow to and

    through the heart.
    That is excellent, thanks for that info!

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    Right 'appy to 'elp,

    y'all.

    As I said earlier, I take Tribex to increase testosterone also. The two are a good combo. Tried DHEA but

    all it did was cause more of my hair to fall out. I'm doing very well at that without any help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by belgareth
    Right

    'appy to 'elp, y'all.

    As I said earlier, I take Tribex to increase testosterone also. The two are a good

    combo. Tried DHEA but all it did was cause more of my hair to fall out. I'm doing very well at that without any

    help.
    Uhoh! You might be onto something! Maybe he should replace the DHEA with L-Arginine and/or Tribex!

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