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Let\'s go back to
Wisconsin.
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Ah, yes. Land of the Brave, Home of the Cheese.
Let\'s go! <Holding hands, skipping, and singing the theme from \"The Smurfs\">
BTW, I object to young
people having sex in space suits! I thought the Reagan Administration outlawed that back in the 80s. The Cosmic
Humpty Act, I think it was called.
Holmes
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Ah, yes. Land of the Brave, Home of
the Cheese. Let\'s go! <Holding hands, skipping, and singing the theme from \"The Smurfs\">
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Bye Bye SsssHolmes....I\'ll miss you
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Not to worry, it\'s just a winter getaway. Great skiing there--really extreme stuff in
Wisconsin.
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SsssHolmes
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So, are you thinking a Jekyll/Hyde thing or what?
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I am an honorable man!
Holmes
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Take it easy tough guy. Was I too mean to your
boyfriend or something?
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Not really. I just don\'t like your
sermons.
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BTW - I never said that she was
uninterested. Just pissed off.
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Whatever helps you sleep at
night.
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I mean, so what if some seventeen year old wants some? What\'s the
difference between that and a married guy wanting some?
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Well, the
main difference is that a married person is already in a dedicated relationship where sex has taken place, and
possible results from that sex (aka - children) are considered by society as a normal, expected thing. A high
school kid who is attempting to subconsciously coerce the other party into sex through the use of pheromones and
ends up knocked up or with a STD is not.
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By that account, anybody
who uses pheromones for the express purpose of attracting someone they haven\'t yet slept with is doing something
that society doesn\'t deem \"normal\" nor \"expected.\" Teenagers would just be a small portion of that
group. Pheromones should only be used by married people, so that sex can never be considered \"coerced.\"
Just
out of curiosity, does your wife know you use pheromones? If she doesn\'t, isn\'t that also a little bit of
subconscious coercion? Is that acceptable, because society\'s okay with it? Or, would society not be okay with
that because, as you\'ve stated, you\'re on the verge of divorce ; implying that she wants out of the
relationship (you probably don\'t, since you\'re using pheromones).
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I have no problem with peoples sexual intentions, as long as they are capable
of dealing responsibly with the consequences of those actions.
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So
then we\'re all in total agreement. That\'s great.
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There\'s a reason why people can\'t vote until they are 18, can\'t
drink until they are 21, and why sexually suggestive/implict movies are off limits to those under 17. It\'s
because the vast majority of people under the age of 18 are emotional morons.
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Whether or not most people agree with these laws doesn\'t change the fact that the young folk
are still doing it (minus the voting). By that token, people in Europe must be raising their kids right, since they
don\'t impose these age restrictions; no emotional morons there.
Your logic defies me; is it okay for them to
have sex, as long as they\'re aware of the consequences, but less okay if they\'re using pheromones (even if
they\'re aware of the consequences)? Or, is it not okay at all because they\'re emotionally inept to handle the
consequences (one could make the argument that getting your wife pregnant when divorce is eminent demonstrates a
certain ineptitude). Pheromones are a form of coercion when used outside of marriage, but inside marriage,
perfectly healthy and normal? If you could just clearly lay out your stance, it would be appreciated.
felly
Felly....cut the crap. You just got here and you are just begging to start [censored]. I am not sure what you have
against Sacogoo\'s posts, but you and the other new guy are the only ones that seem troubled by them. He really
has a lot of power to get under your skin like that.










I don\'t get it?
What is all the fuss about what Sacogoo said? It wasn\'t anything offensive, it wasn\'t some kind of Middle East
discussion gone bad. Before anyone goes on a rampage or a character assassination attempt, one should first look at
that person and honestly contemplate that person\'s personality and just general goodness. A lot of this seems to
be driven by personality differences and the so called points are hacked up to be the main issue when it comes down
to someone holding animosity.....From what I have read from Sacogoo I think I understand his personality enough to
know what he was really saying and the basics of what he means (read between the lines). Sacogoo from what I\'ve
seen in the past, is a sweet (straight guys can say that), cool, confident, nice, unique, and fun guy. I think he
can often say things that are interpreted as absolute such as \"No swimming after 9 pm\", of course I don\'t
believe it is a mandate from heaven just an opinion, not drawn out like I am doing now...Do you see how long it
takes me to make a point? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
So no need to ruin a really
good thread, what I noticed is it wasn\'t even a true debate. I hate the type of weaseling stuff, the manipulation
of words, the quoting someone sentence by sentence and replying in that unflattering fashion, the personal attacks,
the nagging and whinning about a non-issue...come on. Felly for a first post that is kind of odd, are you a past
user? Anyhow I am sure you\'re a smart guy felly maybe you like to make others know that as well? Still though you
seem potentially cool so welcome to the forum and splash the pheros.









What
Elana and Tallmacky said...me too!!!! This is a great place Felly. Lighten up and have some fun with us! OK?










I\'m now 18 and used Pheromones all through-out the last half of my senior year and summer school (17). I really
don\'t see the point of a age limit on pheromones. That is yes jumping the gun. If it was majority speaking, a
problem among 20 and under guys I may give it some merit. It doesn\'t seem to be, men are perverts at all ages and
I don\'t think there is a huge danger or potential danger in a younger guy using pheromones. Like Defcon, I bought
them for increased attention, attraction, and more ease with little hassle. Boosting yourself to a bit of a higher
level when it comes to \"want\". It is indeed boring with the guy wanting it more than the other...it becomes a
\"power\" issue...besides all of that I am lazy and do not like to \"work\" for that. I wouldn\'t want a
restriction on age personally speaking, I would have missed out on some fun and funny ass testing/experimenting and
I did learn a lot. Let\'s not over hype anything though, as many of the past pheromone forum gods have said, they
won\'t just get you laid. It\'s easier to already be an attractive guy to start out with as it gives some
realism, it helps with social/personality issues which were mine. Below average guys should have some magic too as
the girl probably gets a gut feeling of attraction but has no idea
why.pfff.[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] -Mones can illicit more feelings than normal from a
female? Possibly.
I doubt a guy using pheromones and doing your daughter, did your daughter because of the
-mones alone, though it may have helped [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]The -mones give you a boost
of \"he\'s sexy\" \"he\'s just got it\", that is good if a girl is staring at you and maybe wondering about
you (curiousity is good) but women will seldomly ever make the initial and drawn out move. Most girls will not chase
most guys no matter how attractive for very long if at all. Most women are not that visual except Elana. So that guy
with the -mones would also have to talk to that potential girl and share...ewww emotions
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] In a school/college setting which is where these will be used it
is safe and fun, as long as you are one of the few or only who is using them..muhahhah. No one is getting a BJ in
the back of Chemisty class though I bet it happens without the -mones elsewhere.
Remember that behavior is
very important, even the most experienced phermone user really quesitons whether every hit was actually due to
pheromones or not. Even when applying pheromones one\'s attitude may change, mine did a bit to more confident
etc...There is also a placebo effect when you splash on some -mones you are well aware that they are on every second
of the day, you may be over analyzing or noticing what was always there....Besides all of that, -mones in some way
or another are good and safe, with a few doubts there are many more beliefs about them that I have and seem true,
lots and lots of stares, and other sexually interested signs....but you can read that anywhere.
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http://www.askmen.com/dating/curtsmith
_100/102b_dating_advice.html









Good
post Tallmacky and a great link! Thanks!
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and finally some cunnilingus to finish it
off.
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that\'s disgusting
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Felly, and Slinger, WTF. You two are something else. You come on this board and slam another member
for asking a question. Sacogoo has given a lot of good advice since coming on the this board. Exactly what have you
two done, aside from starting a rift between the forum members? I\'d like to know what your points are here? Did
you simply make the statements you made, to prove that you have a point of view? If so, your point has not been
taken!
I don\'t agree that a teen is capable of making a mature decision when it comes to a lot of things,
let alone sex. Things haven\'t changed that much. Teens still think that they are invincible. When it comes to
sex, I don\'t think that most teens will take the proper precautions. It wasn\'t that long ago since I was a
teen and I know that guys are not too keen about wearing rubbers at that age. People not only have to worry about
pregnancy, or the other contractable sexual deseases of the past, they also have to worry about aids. It\'s like
putting a loaded gun to your head, and I don\'t think that teens are responsible enough to take the appropriate
precautions where sex is concerned. Parents shouldn\'t assume that their kid is responsible when it comes to sex.
As a parent, you better be sure that he/she really is. Ask questions. Your teen is a kid with an adult body. Adults
don\'t make the wisest decisions when sex is involved. What makes you think that a sixteen year old will, or is
even capable of making the right decisions? You must remember that these young adults are experiencing these
feelings for the first time and more often, then not, they will follow through with their sexual desires. The
question that Sacogoo asked was a straight forward one, and was not a debatable one. It was a yes, or no, question,
that turned into something entirely different. If the 2 of you debated Sacogoo to show off your intellect, it
didn\'t work. Good luck getting a question asked, answered. I don\'t think anyone will be too anxious to answer
it if this is the type response they will get in return.
As for Felly, and Slinger, think before you post.
Being banned from 10 boards is not something to be proud of.










I
have to disagree with some of the things that have been said in this thread.
I am not familiar with the
situation in the USA, the western country with the highest teenage pregnancy rate (by far), but I do know that when
I was a teenager, we were told about condoms, the pill and sexual transmitted diseases SO OFTEN that it almost made
you crazy.
At least for myself I can say I (still) have the feeling I knew enough about the risks to make a
good decision. I have to agree with what Belgareth said about this.
Franki


SweetSeduceGurl, maybe you should pay attention in class and read your textbook before you open the old
mouth.
Go over the posts in this thread. Where exactly do you find me being rude to Sacagoo? I wasn\'t. He
got ruse with me, basically called Felly a homosexual, etc. and given the circumstances, I have kept it civil on my
part.
Given your replies, you OBVIOUSLY have NOT read, or have FAILED to COMPREHEND what Felly or myself have
written on this subject, so I suggest you go back and do that before you go any further. Oh, and if you STILL gotta
problem with anything I\'ve said, please address the issues one at a time, like any good debator would do. Like
this:
[their quote]
[your rebuttal]
[their quote]
[your rebuttal]
etc.
Please, no more of
this mixed-and-mashed-and-put-words-in-other-peoples-mouths-before-even-knowing-whats-going-on-yourself,
eh?
Slinger
Other than finding new and exciting ways to irritate one another, are we accomplishing anything with this thread?










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are we accomplishing anything with this thread?
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I don\'t think Bruce is gonna stop selling pheromones to
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SweetSeduceGurl, maybe you should pay attention in
class and read your textbook before you open the old mouth.
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That\'s certainly no way to speak to a lady! You should be ashamed of yourself.
SSG,
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